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日韓竹島論戦 【6-4】

（注）
この記事は以下の記事からの続きです。
日韓竹島論戦 【6-1】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/2027113.html
日韓竹島論戦 【6-2】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/2027277.html
日韓竹島論戦 【6-3】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/2040284.html

初めての方はこの記事から読み始めてください。
日韓竹島論戦 【1】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/1269114.html

27. Dear Fukuyama. (Part 2)

Jun , 2005-04-08 08:11

(続きです)
"Your consideration is greatly appreciated."
-->Here is my advice. I know I spoke in harch tones. I admit it. However, it was not pointed to you. I was talking to those crazy bastards. I know you are not that kind of person. So don't give up to search for facts. And please write articles based on historical fact. Don' be obsessive about Korean's patriotism, since it not the focus of this issue. HISTORICAL FACTS, that's what we need to share.

Check it out !
http://www.tokdo.co.kr

さて、今回がJunさんとの竹島論争の最終回なので総括を致します。
一連のやり取りによってはっきりわかったことは、私とJunさんとの意見が全然噛み合わないということです。
私は未来の友好のため、過去のわだかまりを早く流して建設的な議論をしたいと思っていました。
そこで国際司法裁判所での決着を提案したわけですが、裁判は公平ではないからダメだと言われてしまいました。
Junさんにとっては、日本が歴史を無視しているとしか考えられないようです。
ヤフログでどなたかが「竹島」の名前の由来が韓国語から来ているという記事を紹介していましたが、それを見た時、私はありえないと思ったのですが、彼はそれを信じているようです。
「歴史的事実」に対して私が無知で無関心なヤツだとJunさんは怒っていましたが、平和主義者が嫌いという言葉には驚きました。
そこで私は彼に諭すように、ただ日本人を非難しているだけでは、日本の右翼が益々勢いづきますよ、もっと日本のことを勉強して下さいと知恵を授けました。
いつの日か、日韓が過去を現在と切り離して考えられるようになることを夢みますが、それにはまだまだ長い時間が必要のようです。
ただ日本の方にも歴史的事実を都合良く解釈する方々がいて、自虐的な歴史、捏造された歴史を改めようと盛んに主張したがっています。
そういうアツイ日本人こそ、アツイ韓国人や中国人と冷静な議論を重ねて欲しいと私は思います。
まだ色々言いたいことは、あるのですがそれはまたの機会に言うことにします。

そうそうJunさんの最後のメッセージのリンク先は韓国語なのですが、そこから右上の「English」をクリックすれば英文で韓国の竹島の主張が読めます。
韓国語は私は読めませんが翻訳サービスを使ってなんとなく雰囲気だけは理解しました。
かなり活発な運動をしているようですね。

日韓竹島論戦 【6-3】

（注）
この記事は以下の記事からのシリーズものです。
日韓竹島論戦 【6-1】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/2027113.html
日韓竹島論戦 【6-2】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/2027277.html

初めての方はこの記事から読み始めてください。
日韓竹島論戦 【1】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/1269114.html

27. Dear Fukuyama. (Part 1)

Jun , 2005-04-08 08:11

Regrettably, I realized that it is too difficult for you and me to come to agreement how to solve the problem."
-->What is the problem anyway? What is it? What is the agreement we should come to? So vague.

"The reason that I came here, is to know how much difficult to live Japanese and Korean together in friendships.
You gave me one answer.
Thank you very much."
-->So amazying that you needed me to realize this. It's really hard to be friends when one rapes the other's mom and say 'I'm sorry but your mom enjoyed it" (literally, and as well as an analogy) You really need to calm down and have a decent consideration about the reason why Japan receives so much hatred from Korea, China, and other nations in Indochina.

"I had already told you that I am reporter.
Please see comment number 15th."
-->Sorry. I didn't see. Usually, a reporter clarifies their position/company. It was rather too short.

"As I mention last time, I tried to search and I could not find the article."
-->I apperciate that you actually tried. I really do. I thought you never had tried and just asked me to give you everything. It's not an article. I said it was a TV programme.

"I can not understand why I should search the article, because it is you that want to show me the article."
-->Wow. Did I ever say I wanted to show you? No! I said I saw it, and you asked me for it. Therefore I gave you the guidelines to search it. Don't lie. If you cannot find it too bad. It is there whether you find it or not anyway.
As a japanese, you keep saying you can not understand why you should search the article, well what can i say more? I'm not your teacher or your parent to teach you the attitude.

"No matter how Korean try to say Takeshima belongs to Korea, Japanese government do not give up."
-->Takeshima? Takeshima literally means 'Bamboo tree island'. There is not a sigle bamboo tree in the Dokdo. Get real! Are they stupid or what? I'll teach you some linguistic history. The pronouciation of Takeshima is originated from Korean Takusum which is just another pronounciation of Doksum. In Korean, Sum is the same as Do which means as a conclusion Doksum=Dokdo and it got transformed into Takeshima.

"You must consider more deeply and act more strategically."
-->Thanx for the advice.

"Pacifist mean in Japan, who save the Article 9 of the Constitution.
If Korean do not support us and blame all Japanese, then Japanese right-wing side becomes more powerful.
Please study more about Japan."
-->Again, thanx for the advice. I did not mean to blame all japanese. Like I said earlier, I am against the politicians who are driving Japan mad and the ignorant and indifferent japanese who are numb and brainwashed. Not those one you just mentioned. No offense at all to them. I think I am doing a good job till now on my studies. The London School of Economics is not an easy place to survive without studying, I can guarantee you that. I am in the Sociology department, a master student. I am doing a fine job so you don't you worry. Mind yours.

"I think you want to talk to me over and over again.
But I am getting tiered, because you can not realize how much you love Korea.
Why do not you ask your friends (or someone) whether you have a strong Korean identity or not?
Can you read this serenely?"
-->Like I said earlier, it is about facts not about identity or patriotism. Why are you so obsessive about my identity? So what you want to say that what I assert is from emotions not from the facts? is that so? lol.

"In case you got angry, I apologize.
I do not want to enrage you.
If you want, I concede you win.
Therefore, I do not reply to your next comment."
-->Let me ask you a Question, (obviously you will not answer.) Is this a japananes attitude to be a gentleman which you claimed earlier? Did we have a win or lose fight? Oh you took it that way. Maybe, it's just you, so i apologize to other japanese here if it's not a typical japanese style of withdraw. However, it happens quite often that japanese, during discussion, when they can not talk with facts, they withdraw in a 'proud' manner saying all kinds of bullshit.

"I promise that I will listen to your assertion and the others Korean assertion.
I can translate from English into Japanese."
-->So you promise that you will not reply, but will listen. Strange. Nobody forced you to do so, do it as you wish.
(つづく)

（記事が勝手に切れてしまうので使いにくいです。まったく…）

日韓竹島論戦 【6-2】

（注）
この記事は以下からの続きです。
日韓竹島論戦 【6-1】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/2027113.html

また初めての方はこの記事から読み始めてください。
日韓竹島論戦 【1】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/1269114.html

26. The final message

Fukuyama , 2005-04-08 07:08

Dear Jun,

Regrettably, I realized that it is too difficult for you and me to come to agreement how to solve the problem.

The reason that I came here, is to know how much difficult to live Japanese and Korean together in friendships.
You gave me one answer.
Thank you very much.

I had already told you that I am reporter.
Please see comment number 15th.

As I mention last time, I tried to search and I could not find the article.
I can not understand why I should search the article, because it is you that want to show me the article.
No matter how Korean try to say Takeshima belongs to Korea, Japanese government do not give up.
You must consider more deeply and act more strategically.

Pacifist mean in Japan, who save the Article 9 of the Constitution.
If Korean do not support us and blame all Japanese, then Japanese right-wing side becomes more powerful.
Please study more about Japan.

I think you want to talk to me over and over again.
But I am getting tiered, because you can not realize how much you love Korea.
Why do not you ask your friends (or someone) whether you have a strong Korean identity or not?
Can you read this serenely?

http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/position.html

In case you got angry, I apologize.
I do not want to enrage you.
If you want, I concede you win.
Therefore, I do not reply to your next comment.

I promise that I will listen to your assertion and the others Korean assertion.
I can translate from English into Japanese.

Your consideration is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

以下の記事に続きます。
日韓竹島論戦 【6-3】
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/2040284.html

日韓竹島論戦 【6-1】

（注）
この記事は以下の記事からのシリーズものです。
初めての方はこの記事から読み始めてください。
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/1269114.html

以下の内容は私と韓国人のJunさんのやり取りの内容です。
今回が最終回でしたが、記事は長いので4つに分割します。
まずは、全部で４つのコメントを一気に紹介します。

22. Apology

Fukuyama , 2005-04-06 22:49

Dear Jun,

I am sorry.
It seems you got angry.

I give some suggestion.
If you really love Korea, it is better to try to be gentleman.
You know I am reporter and will write this international conversation to many Japanese.
I believe that most Korean are educated and polite like most Japanese.

I could not find the article that indicates ICJ can not give an eminently fair decision.
Even so, I will not vote Japanese right-wing side when election comes.
I am a pacifist and not nationalist.

If you want to believe me your story, then you must show me some conclusive proof.
But I recommend you that you should aim to change many Japanese mind (not me).
I hope you accept my message.
I will also try to find good future in my way.
Of cause, I will listen to your assertion.

24. No need to apologize for that...

Jun , 2005-04-07 09:50

"I am sorry.
It seems you got angry."
-->You don't have to apologize if you are just concerned with my temper. Because first, although I speak in harsh tones I'm calm inside. Second, it is not my temper which is mainly causing this problem. You really need to see this is a matter of a fact. I was just strongly urging you to respond to my assertion first before you ask some from me.

"I give some suggestion.
If you really love Korea, it is better to try to be gentleman."
--> I already told you that this got nothing to do with patriotism or nationalism but about facts. If you tell me that I did not behave like a gentleman, I say "look who's talking"

"You know I am reporter and will write this international conversation to many Japanese.
I believe that most Korean are educated and polite like most Japanese."
--> good. However, how am I supposed to know you are a reporter or not unless you tell me first.

"I could not find the article that indicates ICJ can not give an eminently fair decision."
--> Again, I already have suggested you to search Omni-Amni News programme of MBC (a TV broadcasting company in Korea) What you need is there. And I also said I didn't remember the exact date but it's somewhere in March. Again, Answer my Question please. If ICJ give a fair decision just based on facts anyway, why do we need all those japanese lobbyist trying to influence the atmosphere? It is obvious that it'll become a matter of money and power, not truth. I think Japan is well aware of this since they are practicing it. Why do Koreans have to go through all the expected risks when Dokdo belongs to them.

"Even so, I will not vote Japanese right-wing side when election comes.
I am a pacifist and not nationalist."
-->good. Though I don't like the term 'pacifist'. What is that anyway? Do we really have something in common? If we do why don't you be a globalist? In this sense, I am a humanitarian. And are they really the right-wing politicians? To me they are criminals. In Korea or any other nations, if one tries to justify a crime or cover a crime will be treated as a criminal too. Maybe not in japan.

"If you want to believe me your story, then you must show me some conclusive proof.
But I recommend you that you should aim to change many Japanese mind (not me)."
--> good suggestion. You say my assertion needs more proof, but I don't agree. It's not about how many proofs I offer to you or other japanese, it's about japanese attitude who always refuses to see. If you are really ready to know the truth and looking forward seeing th truth, why don't you/japanese go to Tokyo museum or why don't you go and search omni amni news or why don't you go and check how many lobbyist are under mission in UN to deceive other nation. It just proves that japanese are ignorant and indiffernt about this issue. See, it is not my obligation to feed you all with this information. They are ubiquitous. Nowdays, if you are interested you can get most of them easily. They are not 'The X-Files' or anything.

"I hope you accept my message."
--> got my message?

"I will also try to find good future in my way.
Of cause, I will listen to your assertion."
-->I feel the same. And I appriciate that.


nevertheless I showed you several different ways to find the proofs, if you don't search them yourself afterwards, what can i say mor?
And one more thing. I share this conversation with my classmates. They all say 'shame on Japan.' They all know dokdo belongs to Korea, not japan. It is clearly a non-issue.
I wanna say 'Well done' to japanese lobbyists and politicians who tries so hard to 'make' Dokdo to be considered as a territorial issue.
maybe they forgot the fact they actually used to draw maps showing Dokdo as a Korean territory for hundreds of years.

日韓竹島論戦 【5】

（注）
この記事は以下の記事からのシリーズものです。
初めての方はこの記事から読み始めてください。
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/peace12hope/1269114.html

以下の内容は私と韓国人のJunさんのやり取りの内容です。
今回は全部で４つのコメントを一気に紹介します。

Dear Jun and many Korean friends

【18】 Fukuyama, 2005/04/06 02:06

I respect that you have a strong Korean identity.
I do not have such a strong identity.
I can give you some advice.

You may be able to change Japanese politics.
To do so, write an article to JANJAN in proper way.
That means many Japanese can know what is the problem from your point of view.
We can elect Japanese politician.

If you want, I can give some more advice.
Let's move constructively.

Thanks

【19】 Jun, 2005/04/06 03:01

Unfortunately, I can not speak Japanese.
If you agree with me (at least partially), I strongly ask you to do me a favor to share the 'hidden' facts with japanese.

Because first, actually this issue was initially set up by japanese politicians.

second, it's japanese people who are supposed to influence their politicians before it gets up to an international level.

Currently, I am a student at London School of Economics in UK and I am doing my best to have discussions with other students including those from europe, america and china. Not most of them, but 'all of them' agrees with my idea after a decent discussion. There are literally tons of materials and resources which proves Dok do belongs to Korea. Just too many of them to deny.

Before Japan gets a worse reputation about this issue, it's quite urgent for japanese people to stop their politicians.

You are welcome!

Fukuyama, 2005/04/06 08:07

I know that the editorial department of JANJAN translate from Korean or English into Japanese.
So, I think you can submit your article in either language (Korean or English).
I think you do not have to write in Japanese.
But I recommend that before you submit an article to JANJAN, you should contact them to secure about this.

By the way, I am not sure that your story is true, because you have not showed me URL of certain intelligence that International Court of Justice can not give an eminently fair decision.
However I must say again...
It doesn't matter to me whether the disputed islands belongs to Japan or not.

I am looking toward our future developments.
That is the point.


JANJAN
http://www.janjan.jp/

This article
http://www.janjan.jp/world/0504/0503315194/1.php

Editorial department e-mail address
[e-mail]

Here we go again.

Jun, 2005/04/06 09:30

You said, "I am not sure that your story is true, because you have not showed me URL of certain intelligence that International Court of Justice can not give an eminently fair decision.
However I must say again...
It doesn't matter to me whether the disputed islands
belongs to Japan or not."

I mentioned it at the end of the article. Search! Omni Amni News of MBC. 'must be round March' I said!

Seems like you are not listening at all. You are just maintaining the ignorant and indifferent attitude-a typical attitude of japanese- by saying 'it doesn't matter to me'

As I said earlier, it's always Japanese politicians who starts all this kind of conflicts; about history, territory etc. and they pretend to step back as if they are not interested when the corresponding nation rebuts. So Absurd!!

You, as a citizen of Japan, show some kind of responsibility for your representitives at least. Don't always ask somebody else to handle those imperialists.
I think you and japanese people should search for ubiqutous facts which tells Dokdo belongs to Korea. It not that hard. Korea even donated hundreds of pieces of maps which shows Dokdo as a Korean territory (made by France, Korea, even Japan and many other nations)to Tokyo Museum. (which they refused to receive at first because they were afraid to receive the truth. Shame of Japanese for this fact.)They received it later, so they should have tons of materials which proves my arguement. go and check it out.

And one more thing. I don't have a strong korean identity either. It got nothing to do with this.
I'm just fad up with Japanese imperialists and those ignorant & indifferent people.

私はJunさんが日本人にどうやったら自分の考えを納得してもらえるか、自発的に考えて欲しかったので、インタネット新聞JANJANに記事を投稿してみたらどうかと提案してみました。
ただ、私の書き方が悪かったせいか、Junさんはかなり怒ってしまいました。
Junさんはロンドンで経済学を学んでいる学生で、周りの友達に色々竹島の話をして韓国の領土だと主張しているようです。

私はアメリカに住んでいますが、アメリカ人に竹島や尖閣諸島が日本の領土と主張したことはないです。
（日本政府の見解として説明したことは、あります。）
北方領土については、「本当は日本の領土なんだけど…」と話をしたことがあります。
韓国人にとっては北方領土のような感覚に近いものがあり、裁判をやる必要がないと思っているようですね。
今回は特に重要なポイントはないと思うのであまり和訳に力を入れても仕方がないと思いました。
というのは、単なる言い訳で本当はすごく忙しいというのが1番の理由です。

次回はいよいよ竹島論争シリーズの最終回にしたいと思います。